Thoughts of the next few years...

[wolven7]

Ben Folds Five - [Army]--- You know what i find cute? That people don't give a fuck about politics, or really pay attention to or research the "Issues," as they're so fond of calling them. Health care, social security, cloning, abortion, all kinds of shit simply goes out the fucking window, with the most of the reasearch or investigation, by the public, being "What's on CNN/Fox News/CNBC/HeadLine News, today?" Picking up a paper, and reading the articles, sure, but not checking the articles, not researching the individuals involved, for as many perspectives as possible, on whatever situation. Certain times i can understand that.

German Military - [Ich Hatte Einen Kamerad]--- If you're of a deontological bent, meaning that you think certain things are right, or wrong, no matter the consequences, or potential benefits, then i can see not giving a shit about back story, or circumstances, or any of that. But i have a problem with strict deontology, anyway, in that "Diary of Anne Frank" kind of way. Think about that, you'll get it. If not, you can ask. Anyway, if that's the way you're going about it, fine, but don't read anything, then, other than to know who did what. Ok. Even then there's other researches to be done, because not every report is 100% accurate. That's a damned fact, these days. (Carmina Burana - [Estuans Interius]). So i find it funny, still, when people blindly trust the news, or whatever they see or read. Like i said, cute.

Some of you have hated the last four years with a flaming passion, and some of you have thought them the golden age of America. No need to identify yourselves as sitting in either camp; these ballots are annonymous. (VNV Nation - [Darkangel (Apocalyptic Mix by Das Ich)]). The ones in the middle, who didn't care, or have too extreme an opinion, either way, you're here too. I simply want to say that, no matter what you felt of the last four years, do you really think the next four will be that different? The names upon and the people holding the signs will change, the signs, themselves, will not. Economic squabbles, debates on guns, birth control, lobbying for this that and the other. Numbers will rise, in one camp, fall in the other, equilibrium will be maintained. Which is kind of sad, when you really stop to think about it. People complaining, and moaning, and voting, or doing nothing, and still wanting things to change. Because they take a few days out of the year, to vote, or otherwise throw their opinions into the political ether, they expect a change.

Crüxshadows - [Purgatory]--- Or they don't. Some don't think it'll ever get better. No matter what we do, or say, it won't really change. I'd like to say that, if you think that, i don't ever want to hear your voice, read your words, or see your hands move in sign complaining about or extolling the virtues of anything, ever again. (Bruce McCulloch - [Baby Jesus]). Let's make that clear, right now. If you don't think it can or will ever change, then shut the fuck up, stay home, and stare at a grey wall. If you say that you don't like grey, then i will hit you in the mouth, and ask who gave you permission to have preferences. (Wümpscüt - [Die In Winter]). No change makes it all equal. Are we clear? Good. Now let's move on.

If you're still here, then you probably think that things will change, but slowly, eventually, and that's fine. You're who i wanted to talk to, right now, anyway. I wanted to talk to you, because i want to ask you what the fuck you think you're doing? Are you voting as often as possible? Are you "making your voice heard" (to ape the Politik-Word-Stylings)? Or are you reading the news, forming your opinions, and voting? How much news? All of the news you can get your hands on? Are you planning for what you'd like to see? What you need?

Our system is set up in a manner that allows others to decide what is best for us, because we are lazy, and weak, as a species. No, not as a species... as a cultural outcropping, of our species. As a species we are clever, intelligent, violent, cunning, and nurturing. To a fault. We try to make things easier for each successive generation, and we make them softer, weaker, in another area. No, i'm not suggesting we all become Luddites. I'm saying that we need to make things a tad more difficult, for ourselves. We need to remember what it is to work for something, and produce, not simply consume. We need to become more involved. I would like to see that manifest, in government, as well. Involvement, and not simply handing decissions over. A re-fitting of the process so that the elected officials are arbiters of justice, impassive, mostly objective. (Jack Off Jill - [Don't Wake The Baby]). Facilitators of the decissions of the people. I like that idea. That's what i'm working toward, kind of. But it starts with education and understanding (blah blah blah).

Prodigy - [Fire]--- The next four years aren't going to be some golden age of hope and re-assurance. They are going to be slow work, one way or another. If we don't have a goal, in mind, then it is slow work, for no reason, and we might as all lay down and die, right now. So what do you want, for the next four years?

I'm half-hoping for World Peace, myself. And All That That Implies.

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Comments

[okkitten.livejournal.com]

My mother and I came up with a new theory for World Peace tonight while making fun of the crazy too many facelifts/botox woman at the olympics. If everyone just got botoxed so they were always smiling and physically couldn't frown and look pissed, no one would get mad and there would just be peace. ^_^

Now speaking seriously, I don't really think things will ever change in this nation, you're right. The people in charge will come and go, but the big gov't superpower dickwads will always manage to ass rape the world in some form or fashion. Which is why I honostly avoid learning all the issues, because no matter how much I read and learn etc. it isn't really gonna change anytime soon. So I just keep believing what I believe and make fun of people who disagree with me ;)

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Everything changes. If it didn't, we wouldn't be here. Even if that change is Armageddon, there is Change.

[okkitten.livejournal.com]

While everything changes on a basic comprehending level, some things never change. Since, well I'm pretty damn sure ever, there has been an almost understanding among (most) men that women are inferior. It's still a pretty common belief these days, sometimes sickeningly so. Amongst many many other stupid things that never seem to die within societies and ideas about life.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Not always true. There are many tribes, where the women hunt, and provide, and the men stay at home. Women are often "superior." Men simply happened to get/display the power, first, most times.

It changes, albeit slowly.

[okkitten.livejournal.com]

Yeah, hence my purposely placed "(most)" In any case I agree the world is always changing it just seems like sometimes it's moving a bit too slowly. Mainly the things left up to the common societal mind, etc.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Yeah.

Personally, i'm pretty sure that the only "world peace" will happen if everyone dies. :P

No change makes it all equal.

[momentai.livejournal.com]

Explain that please. Also, what does diary of anne frank have to do with anything? I never read it, by the way.

There is no such thing as world peace. "world peace" is just a silly slogan created to sell stuff. Humans are not meant to live in complete peaceful co-existence with one another. No animal is, but us more so due to our level of sentience. Furthermore, the Earth itself prevents such an idea b/c of its design. We are seperated for a reason. There is nothing wrong with having borders and the like. With anything, it is simply how and why those borders are used. But to think that just b/c we are all of the same speicies means that we all need to live around the other or even care about the other is ridiculous. That has nothing to do with survival. It is in fact dangerous for survival.

And I am not saying that you believe that, just posting it here, cos this is where it was mentioned. Now, Life may get more peaceful in a few centuries when a significant percentage of the species dies and the survivors realize that maybe what they did b4 was kind of stupid, but total peaceful co-existence b/t all humans is not a feasible endeavor or even a logical idea.

Ignore the last reply i made. Forgot about Anne Frank.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

As far as Anne Frank goes, say you believed that lying was unequivocally Wrong, no matter the consequences or circumstances. Now, say it's WWII, Anne Frank is hiding in your house, and the Nazis come calling. You tell them? There are ways around this (not letting her in, telling part of the truth, whatever), but it still amounts to either Deception, or you being partly responsible for her death.

If there is no change, and no difference, if everything is always the same as it has been and ever will be, then any "side" or "preference" is as good as any other. Because none will ever gain or lose ground, and nothing ever Changes.

As far as world peace, do you remember that episode of the X-Files, where Mulder found the Jeanie (her name and title)? He wished for world peace, as his (luckily) second wish. Everyone in the world, except him and her, was dead, because that's the only way the whole world, would ever be peaceful. He said nothing about the inhabitants.

Humans don't need to get along, the need to realise that a certain amount of respect is necessary for survival, and that we are not, at current, showing that amount.

Re: Ignore the last reply i made. Forgot about Anne Frank.

[momentai.livejournal.com]

I understnad what being dentelogical is, but I don't think that is a good example. If nazis are looking for you at anyone's house, they have it in their mind to kill you or not. if they choose to kill you when they find you, I had nothing to do with that descion. Even if I direct them to another house, or confess that you are in my secret attic, you may or may not die. Seeing as Nazis are doing the looking, you will probably die since Nazis were fairly thourough. If they wanted you, they would have found you. I don't see how how my telling them where you at makes me responsible in any part. You were going to die whenever they found you: that's none of my doing.

I remember the episode and that's what i said. As of now, Humans do not possess the ability to practice the degree of sense and logic and respect needed to be "more peaceful". That will only come about when a vast number of us are dead. The more dead people you have, the cleare the hindsight of the survivors.

Re: Ignore the last reply i made. Forgot about Anne Frank.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Spoken like a true deontologist. The Nazis may, in fact have not found her. The point isn't IF/WHEN they find her, it's if YOU have any agency in the finding. That is responsibility. That is, in fact, a good lesson for the difference between responsibility and fault. If you inadvertantly lead them to her, that's not your fault, but it is your responsibility. You have performed an action, and that action has had consequences. Not taking responsibility for the action is, in effect, saying that you did not do it.

Another example, also used to show the difference, is the Commandant example. Death camp. Commandant walks up to you, with a baby, and says "Kill this baby, or i will kill 2500 other people." What do you do? Your action or inaction has CONSEQUENCES. The Commandant has made himself an arm of Your Will, therefore, what you do or don't do directly effects what he does or doesn't do. Cause and Effect.

Just like the universe in which we live, for the most part.

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Mrf. It's an uncomfortable thing to think about, and another layer of complexity with which to-er-complicate things.

I guess, reading this, I am something of a deontologic (if that's the word for it) though it varies depending on how deeply a chord is struck with the matter at hand. But this is kind of a sidenote...

It's uncomfortable because it all boils down to realizing that a) the system we depend upon to keep this country (and others, really) is a bunch of rhetoric and falsity and doubt, and things on paper that have little weight when you really think about it. Us Making things complex without them needing to be, in the name of Progress. And it's all silly if you think too hard about it. But people depend on this solidity, day in and day out. The same 'solidity' that makes people want to accept Reality at face value.

And then there's b) It's a sign of a bigger picture that people also don't want to care about. Paying attention and delving into the works of society and government requires knowing something beyond the three hots and a blowjob that most people are content with. See point 1. ^_^

Not to mention, and this is where I start to slack on things, that you're looking at reports, no matter what, and no one can prove Any of it is truth. It's all news, paid for by someone, and sponsored and biased.

I'm of the idea that there isn't going to be world peace, either, if only because of the principles of entropy and human fallibility and emotion. The best I feel that can be hoped for is honesty, and intelligence and sensitivity being applied to conflict.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Every one has the tendencies of a deontologist, i believe, as well as the tendencies of a consequentialist. We don't do everything with all consequences in mind, and we don't Always have a set mindset of Good and Bad.

The system we used Does depend on those things, because that's the way it was built. That does not mean that it's the way it has to stay. The staggered election years, and the amounts of votes needed were not only to prevent any one Branch having too much power, but to prevent the People from gaining too much ability to institute change.

No, people don't want to see the Bigger Picture, because, as alwaays, it's too much. Too much information, too much responsibility, too much whatever.

As far as the News, yeah, it's all reports, but you know what? You can sluice throught the grit and the filth, and find grains of truth. It's found in the intersection, between all the stories..

Again, as far as World Peace, can only happen, if everyone dies, or gets lobotomies.

a bunch of rhetoric...

[momentai.livejournal.com]

I think I agree with you. I have always felt that there is no need for the distance b/t poor and rich and gluttonous and starving in the world. There is no need for our economy. The only reasson a "global economy" exisits is b/c the rich people say so. We don't need a stock market, a value for gold, a value for pork/beans, bonds, or any of it. We do not need federal reserve notes. The Economy is not a huge beast that holds us at bay with its breath of monetary fire. We can walk away whenever we choose, but only if we ALL choose.

If everyone simply stopped arguing and posturing and ruling and following and killing and lying, and then said "we don't need this money system", then we would be fine. We could exist as a people w/o trading goods and services for cash and credit. We could trade goods and services for goods and services. If I have what you want, I'll give it to you if you give me what I need. It's just that we all have to agree as a world that we want to change the System and then work toward the Change togehter. Yes, some of us will still need to work, but if we accepted that we need to help other people to help ourselves that would cease to be a problem. But the economy and the regulations are all about false truths and half truths and, as you said, rhetoric and paper, keeping us boxed in....

But anyway, thats what i think, mostly, and you seem to feel similary, Angel.