PETA bullshit, found by mech_angel

[wolven7]

"PETA doesn't love your pets. PETA wants your pets gone. Apparently domestication is a form of torture."

So.. By extension, humans never should have come out of the wild, and learned to use tools, never should have ridden horses, and give ourselves the idea for cars, bicycles, and trains...

I hate PETA. They make me want to break cows' necks and drink their blood.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Animals are awesome. I like animals. Some animals are delicious.

I'm biased, and I'm a carnivore. Every one of my molars has two points and sharp edges, naturally. I was not meant to eschew the flesh of other living creatures. None of us were, really, because there are certain things we can most easily attain by eating flesh. Yes, nutrient suppliments have advanced, a great deal, but you know what? I like meat.

Clone me cows, and this won't be a problem, will it?

Assholes.

Comments

[techiecl.livejournal.com]

You for got that other fact, as humans, our eyes on on the front of our face...we're predators - eyes for hunting.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Just like lions, tigers, and wolves. Oh My.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Actually, they have serrated ridges. For tearing. *shrug* I function better with a high meat intake, over long periods of time. My body cleans itself out better, and I filter toxins more easily.

That guy? Yeah, probably some biases, too. Everyone's biases are showing. I just wish people wouldn't force theirs upon me.

If people don't want to eat meat, fine. Don't. Telling me how I should behave, as if I were a child who'd not been given the tools to make my own decisions, and think through processes? Not fine. Don't.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

If asked about them, or persecuted into trying to behave a different way? Sure.

I never told you what to do. I only told you how i feel and what I think about it. The closest I come to telling people what to do, is situation assesment: "If you want Outcome X, your best course of action is Y." There's a very large difference.

When you come to the place of trying to change people (even and especially those who are trying to change you), and they don't want to be changed, then what the fuck will be accomplished?

Sure, explain why you think what you think, explain what you feel. But, if you want to be heard, don't try and rip the steak out of someone's mouth, and the clothes off their back. Don't shove a steak Into someone's mouth, for that matter. It's not going to make them do anything but hate and resent you.

I belive Gandhi was right, in that we have to live and be the changes we want to see in the world, not force them upon others.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

PETA members throwing paint of wearers of fur, other animal rights activists posting the names, addresses, childrens' names, routes to work and school, of scientists with whose practices they disagree. Death threats.

Things like that. Not this issue specifically, but the tactics of a group involved in this issue, in regards to the large idea of "Should," into which the conversation ventured.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Both. PETA and splinter groups.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Splinter group. As I said, the scope of the conversation widened, so did the references and examples.

[selenasaberwind.livejournal.com]

Actually, he's not. He's saying that people shouldn't force their opinions on other people. This is HIS journal. He can bitch on it if he wants. He isn't pointing a finger and saying, "Hey YOU! dmlaenker! YOU should hate PETA, eat animals, and love pitbulls!". He's talking about his frustrations with the group and an overarching point that nothing gets accoplished and allies aren't made by being an extremist, which I happen to agree with. It sounds like you're taking it personally and trying to just argue.

Re: Second thing

[wolven.livejournal.com]

The domestication of animals is "against the natural order," acording to some. So are electricity and pneumatic drills.

Yes, one is the directing of self-species, and the other that of another, but i'm pretty damned sure the first "domesticated" wolf wasn't tackled by Oog, who then taught it to roll over and beg.

Far more likely that it was a hungry lone wolf, kicked out of its pack, who smelled meat cooking, and ventured toward. Rather than killing it, Oog realised it was merely hungry, and quite docile. They stayed, and Oog had a brand new idea.

Re: Second thing

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Precisely. If an animal is well fed, cared for, and loved, in a domestic situation, then where is the harm?

Re: Second thing

[wolven.livejournal.com]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The moment an animal can communicate its suffering to me, and tell me of its dissatisfaction with a situation, I will do what I can to end that situation. Which is why I am against animals kept in places like the farms the hold cows, pigs, chickens, etc., in tiny pens, where they destroy each other.

Not only bad for them, bad for us.

That being said, if there is a way devised to communicate with animals, and we find that they don't like being eaten, killed, etc, then let's stop doing that. Sure, it's the way live survives (feeds on life feeds on life...), but we have new ways of making foods.

Let's clone something. Let's grown foods in labs.

Vegetables scream, too, you know? We don't get along in this world, without killing something. Period.

Do we allow ourselves to be killed by bacteria, that they may live? Where is the line? IS there a line?

I believe that there is a solution, but, until it becomes widely accepted, and economically viable, we take the small victories we get.

At present, we cannot leave this world alive, so we try to figure out how to live, in this world.

Re: Second thing

[selenasaberwind.livejournal.com]

Yanno.... my 5 cats are the fattest (read: well-fed), happiest creatures I have ever seen. I rescued all of them from not-so-great situations and brought them to come and live with me. Their food is more expensive than mine. They have seen a doctor in their lives more than I have in the past 10 years.

Slaves were just that- SLAVES. Men, women, and children who were often dragged from their homes where they were settled, healthy, and happy with their families, and sold into forced servitude. I do not force my animals to do anything against their wills. I do not employee them to do labor. They simply exist. Comparing a slave and a pet are two different things completely.

The most "servitude" that most people expect of their pets are from the seeing-eye dogs and those animals are very well-taken care of and rewarded for their work. People depend on working for money for their lives and get paid for their work. It's very similar.

And just to rule out the argument, I'm talking about pets, not work animals, like mules on a farm. But in most cases, even those animals are well taken care of.

[brigidreborn.livejournal.com]

I feel like that is fabricated.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

The stance is one against "Exotic and dangerous animals" as domesticated pets.

Many animals are potentially dangerous. My mother's cat of 15 years, flipped out and bt and scratched my grandmother, when I was two. The cat was protecting me, as i was asleep in the room, but the point is she had Never done anything like that.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

All animals are potentially dangreous. Gerbils are potentially dangerous. Any starting point on this issue slippery slopes out of ocntrol, very quickly, like many issues raised by PETA.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

We interact with them because we have to. We live in the world, larger brains/souls or no. We have to interact with animals, and if we can be mutually beneficial to one another, then where is the harm?

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Fair enough. Human testing, then.

[mendori.livejournal.com]

Ok, as a person with a decent amount of biological anthropology and behavioral anatomy under my belt, let me clear up this whole tooth thing.

We are fruitivores/insectivores.

Our teeth are made for a combination of fruit and bugs. This is why we prefer sweet things over everything else. Our eyes face forward because we lived in a tree top enviroment where depth perception was a must. Depth perception and hands lend themselves to spot and grab predation, such as snagging insects out of the air. Our digestive system is too long to be that of a pure carnivore, our digestive system is too short to be that of a pure herbivore - do the comparisons between our digestive tract and those of sheep and those of lions.

Strangely enough, the digestive tract of a fruitivore also matches up nicely with a carrion diet. Why? Both deal with high ammounts of bacteria, rot, and other weird things we may eat by accident in the process. We learned to scavenge when the fruit went away and the trees vanished during the climate changes that swept africa about the time we came out of the trees.

Do I advocate a return to fruit and bugs? No. Do I advocate we eat nothing but dead and sun rotted animals? No. We eat what we have come to eat due to several thousand years of cultural evolution which has included the incorporation of domestic animals and plants.

Id also like to say that some of the genetic modifications we have made to plants have been far more cruel than those we have to animals. Modern domestic corn plants cannot reproduce on their own any longer, and require humans to dehusk, decob, and plant their seeds in order to propogate. Without humans, the species would die. I cant think of an animal we have done something that horrible to, can you?

My point being, we have domesticated plants and animals, modified them to suit us, and they in many ways have done the same to us in terms of poisons, thorns, and flowers.

[teididh.livejournal.com]

I cant think of an animal we have done something that horrible to, can you?

a few species of exotic goldfish, definately. and a couple of breeds of dogs are beginning to have that problem, though usually only in insanely over-bred strains.

[anarchette.livejournal.com]

i like my puppy, and i like my free peta stickers.

i dont like cow, but i love chicken.

and i also, dont care who eats what, where, when, or why.

as long as you dont mess with mine, we'll be fine.

xo.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Precisely.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Make what you need.

[anarchette.livejournal.com]

also, im trying to dig up the article on people's personal digestive systems and such. there are some people that absolutely dont function well without a large portion of their diet being meat, and the other way around as well.

my mother, needs mucho meat.
i, however, function best on mostly veggies.

no biggie. i'm going back to hunt for that article.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

It's really just the way of it. Some people need more of things, than others.

Blah.

[auriam.livejournal.com]

Saying whatever they want is fine, legally, but morally I think they should look at other problems in the world too, maybe problems that affect people in their own families or people they care about, before thinking about problems for animals. Why ignore the human suffering that exists in the world to worry more about animals? Empathy isn't 'meant' to be for every living thing equally; we empathize more with those that are closer to us. There's nothing wrong with that.

IMHO, 'purification' and 'moralization' movements like PETA, Focus on the Family, etc, are caused by personal guilt and uncertainty, leading to actions designed to be sure you're 'good,' and to force others to agree with your views so you can be *really* sure. Religions / absolute morality systems all seem to be based on the desire to simplify the world and make your choices for you so you don't have to worry about them yourself...

[nausved.livejournal.com]

The "we should worry about this before we worry about that" argument bothers me. I do feel that some problems are more pressing than others, but that does not mean that those "lesser" problems should go unfixed because of it.

I'm trying to get through college. This involves careful financial planning, and I am very dedicated toward making it work. At the same time, there are thousands of bigger problems in the world--people everywhere are suffering, starving, dying.... Does that mean I should not concern myself with school while all these other problems go unsolved?

"Empathy isn't 'meant' to be for every living thing equally; we empathize more with those that are closer to us."

Many people, myself included, feel closer to animals than to other people. Is it not natural, even 'meant' to be, then, that these individuals might feel empathy for animals?

[n3m3sis42.livejournal.com]

I don't get why people were offended by this.