2012: What are your plans?

[wolven7]

Tool - [Wings for Marie (Pt. 1)]--- There's a giant solar storm set to happen in the year 2012. Gives Credence to EMP theory, and reformatting of planetary systems. Think about this: We're electromagnetically wired, and are affected by EMPs, if only to a small degree. One of that magnitude could conceivably do us real damage. Or good.

Tool - [10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2)]--- Two-pronged question, then: What do we do about our data, history, records, all of it, in the event of global electromagnetic pulse, and what will it mean for the various species, on the planet, with electromagnetic fields sensitive enough to be affected?

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2006/03/07/66236.htm

There's also the idea that what we think of as the end of the world is only a shift in paradigm, in a way that we could not understand, as Mayans. It could also be a date that's far enough away to serve as a sufficient memetic focal point, for planning and worry.

My timetable considers 2012 the far point, and holds that everything should be in place and in progress, well before that.

Now, I may be batshit insane, and so might all of the other "conspiracy nuts," out there, in the world, but you know what? The Mayans, the Aztecs, and the Egyptians were all pretty damned smart people. They had mathematical and magical systems that make ours look stupid. Not just quaint, or funny, but Stupid. Pyramids for gods' sakes... Anyway, my point is that, when one of them simply decides to Stop their calendar-- which they took the trouble of planning for Thousands of Years into the Future-- when they say it Stops, I think we should pay a bit of attention, is all.

Your thoughts?

Comments

You feel like you want Italians to climb up you to reach Purgatory?

[kuranes.livejournal.com]

INFORMATION WAR MOTHERFUCKER!
Remember the ending of Metal Gear Solid 2?
Is this the same thing as the McKenna theory or another 2012 coincedence?
ESCHATON IMMANENT!

Re: You feel like you want Italians to climb up you to reach Purgatory?

[wolven.livejournal.com]

It's where McKenna got a lot of his ideas, yeah. Here, Kurzweil, and some other stuff.

[momentai.livejournal.com]

If there is a strong possibility that digital storage media will be erased than everyone should write everything down that they want saved on paper and save all mpegs and mp3s to a cd in non-data format.

Now, are you saying that the mayan calander had 2012 as the end of human time? And if so, are u then saying that this sunstorm was forcasted by them? If u r, then I don't really have thoghts except be prepared. It worked for Scar...at least for half the movie.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

I'm saying they saw Something, but didn't feel the need to write it down, again. Possibly, as a3rdwayproject said, due to the fact that they recorded it as happening before, on a predictable timetable.

I was thinking CD or test the vulnerability of DVD to EMP.

[xabigailx.livejournal.com]

12/21/2012. I'm prepared and aware. The Mayans knew something, and I plan on taking their cue.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Good good.

[paosparti.livejournal.com]

Jeremy and I were just discusing this the other day. Have you read any Zecharia Sitchin. I've not gotten the chance but I've heard some of his theories second hand and I'm very interested. Though I have heard both the opinion he is a complete quack and that he is brilliant so I'm reserving judgment.

Jeremy was saying the otherday that the only calender that ended in 2000 was one that was off in calculation and would have really set its end in 2012... I can't remember the name though.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Never heard the name, no. I'll look into it, when I have some time.

Mayan Calendar ends 2012. Egyptian and Aztec make mention of it.

[paosparti.livejournal.com]

yeah I'm aware of that. I was interested to find out that the ONLY calendar that ended in 2000 was a miscalculated 2012 which would match up with teh other 3.

Sitchin talks about there being 12 planets. Disscusses the fact that the Sumerians did not list the planets from an earthen point of view or from an orbit around the sun but listed them from the 12th lanet inward. (Sitchin apparently uses this to give a boost to the claim that we were helped along evolutionarily by beings from outside our solar system.) Apparently he also believes that this 12th planet has an orbit that swings so close to the earth that it caused the great flood by pulling all the water to one side. and Possibly colided with earth at some point. Apparently the orbit is something like every 10,000 years.

Again this is mostly second hand info, but I believe his book that discusses most of this is The 12th Planet.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

That's a pretty interesting theory. Thank you, for that.

2012 - here is a new eye opener

[(Anonymous)]

"the 100th human" http://www.the100thhuman.com

The back cover:
December 2012 - The final day of the 5000 year old Mayan calendar nears. The world is in turmoil - as wars and international tensions continue. People everywhere seem lost in the complications of day to day struggles - poverty - misfortune - anger and greed.

A small team of scientists have uncovered a riddle concerning this "End of Days." As they reveal the symbolic meaning of the riddle, their serendipitous journey is discovered by the Fraternity of the Veni Victus - determined to thwart such revelations. These two powers - of good and evil - converge. Only the spirits of the ancients know the outcome.

The 100th Human is a spiritual quest, delving deeply into matters of physics, metaphysics, evolution and the human condition.

Join Jack, Apu and Alana as they race against time searching for those who can assist in revealing the mystery of the ancient symbols - before time literally runs out.

Re: 2012 - here is a new eye opener

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Are you a bot? You have to tell me, if you are.

[a3rdwayproject.livejournal.com]

The end of the mayan calender is the death of a sun
in the mayan system there have been 5 suns that have ruled over the world, in the indian system its 4 i believe. They tend to agree on the basic details tho

We live under a sun, who rules our natures and lives. Towards the end of a sun, time speeds up and things prepare for the change. When the sun dies, the world is thrown into turmoil and many things are destroyed. Then a new sun comes, and the world returns to stablity.

This is why the aztecs were cutting peoples hearts out. Feeding the sun in blood to keep it strong and prevent the end of the cycle. they did not succeed, the sun will end.

Some records of the last ending of a sun, in the old mesoamerican texts say that the waters of the world rise up, there is a black rain that catches on fire. The egyptians say they survived intact because of the uniqueness of their natural terrain, high land, with pourous soil.

Either way, according to the mayan predictions, and their timing system was more accurate than hours until we invented atomic clocks, this sun ends on the day of four motion, 23rd of december 2012.

Its not the end ofthe world, its just a change the world has lived through before.
Time will continue, after these few messages from our sponsors.
-sam

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Realisation of the simultaneity of time, perhaps? I think that'd be a bit of a coup...

Thanks.

[pallandrome.livejournal.com]

I suspect, just to be difficult, that the change itself, at the precise moment, will be too small to notice. If there is one. People have been ignoring the mayan ways for so long that whatever impetous might have been needed for the change to occur may have been lost.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

But enough people have been providing worry and speculation (metal energy expenditure is like belief, in many ways), such that it's still quite possible that something noticable will happen.

[pallandrome.livejournal.com]

Bah, worry. BAH, speculation. Want to impress me? Bring me some hearts.

...

Not that it worked last time, but at least it lets me know you care. *snif*

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

in the interests of accuracy, I understood that the fifth(?) sun's death was the last one. Meaning, yes, 2012 IS the absolute end. Rather than predict the next sun, they pretty much left it there. I'm not sure if interpretations are tht the death of the fifth sun means the end of the world or whether the Mayans actually thought that themselves - with such information being second or third hand it's impossible to know for sure.

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

Fairly good overview (http://www.saxakali.com/historymam7.htm)

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Thank you, for that.

[a3rdwayproject.livejournal.com]

*shruggs*
living under this sun as they did, their interest would have been in when it ended. However, their system allows for the prediction of the previous deaths, and the future extrapolations. Its the basis of their time keeping. Like the precession of the equinoxes.

It might be this is hte last sun, certainly i doubt it will mean much to any of us if it goes the way it did last time (or was it the time before?). I have seen to much of the universe and the nature of immortality to be bothered by breaks in perception. Sooner or later we will all stop, but between then and now there are generally many places where our perception breaks down and we cannot see beyond. Too me, that is what 2012 is.

Something is coming, its method of manifestation prevents any clarity. And with something that big, why make plans until its been decided. All plans made under this sun would need to be revised anyway.

Welcome to the razors edge.
-sam

[not-hothead-yet.livejournal.com]

I am pretty much in agreement with you overall. this site (http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/1.htm) has some fun musings and fascinating extrapolations but on the whole, I am like most humans; living my life primarily unfettered by cosmic worries that I cannot change. The eschatological meanderings by some are interesting and could possibly call for personal changes of a more universal nature but one cannot suspend one's own life for the sake of worrying about cosmological upheavals.

Personally, I am with Toffler; the most significant change is the rate at which human progress and conciousness evolve and accept that evolution. As I grow older, such acceptance does appear to be difficult but only because I get tired. Acceptance of sociological evolution at the rate it is going today is a mighty task. Which might explain why so many people (most older than I) are nostalgic for a "simpler" time, wherein they had so much less to think upon and worry about.

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Hm. Plan for most options.

That said, how many of the forty-four do we have? We need a sound-off.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

You're absolutely right.