I'm thoughtful, angry, and hoped up on cold medication.

[wolven7]

Gorillaz - [Clint Eastwood]--- Two people who's thoughts and judgements tend to match mine have pointed me Here, today (ego_likeness and warren_ellis), and it's got me thinking some odd thoughts (also the 666 Cold Preparation, and food).

Blondie - [Heart of Glass]--- Say you're an agnostic. SAY IT. Good. Now, if you're an agnostic, you don't know if god/dess(e/s) actually exist(s), right? Good. Now, if you don't know that, but you Do know, from observation, and experience, that people in this world have a wide range of thoughts, opinions, and preferences. This being the case, it should strike you as odd that people think that, if god/dess(e/s) exist(s), s/he/it/they would not be as multi-form and multi-faceted as the people it chose to create. Why would something with only one opinion and understanding of the way the world was supposed to work, create something with many and various?

Moxy Früvous - [Guinea Pig]--- It makes no sense to me to think that "testing" is a valid idea, there. Testing what? If testing, shouldn't there be less of a bias, toward certain behaviours? Maybe we're just roundly failing, and fucking up the whole experiment. I don't know, anymore. (The Clash - [Revolution Rock]). It just seems dumb, to me, to continue testing things that, for the most part, aren't using the faculties they were given. That bothers me, just a bit.

I looked in the mirror, a few minutes ago, and was honestly surprised at the way I saw my face. This 666 Cold Prep. is some weird shit, i can tell you that, for free.

Think, damn it. Think.

I'm out.

Comments

[momentai.livejournal.com]

Perhaps those who do beleive in God can believe that He is not multi faceted b/c it makes them feel comfortable. Many people do not like change, stress, argumentss, etc. In thinking that their creator is of the same mind as they are, or that He is at least not one to entertain every idea that comes along, makes them feel safer. That God knows the truth, and if they wait long enough, he will tell it to them, thus proving them right, is a very strong idea to cherish.

Now, let's say God was, in fact, of one single tracked mind. That He only cared about His ideas. Maybe He had no intrest in other lines of thinking, but He still chose to instill humans with free will for the hell of it. It is his way of having fun. He gives you the ability to think and analyze, then tells you what you MUST think in order to garner his protection and approval, and then sits back to enjoy the hilarity that is human interaction and conflict. If you consider the notion of prayer and the parts in the Bible where God shows himself to be quite a vengeful dick, it makes sense. He wants you to be open minded just so he can laugh at how you deal with the temptation to ignore him.

In either case, I don't see it as a mutaully exclusive situation. Humans can beleive whatever they want. The reasons are myriad and not always good or even logical, but it is what makes us human. God could have instilled us with this attritbute and yet be very narrow in his own perspective or be just as well read as some us are. It can all fit.

So, I don't understand what it is that you don't understand. Especially the bit about the testing.

[raoin.livejournal.com]

i'm glad then, that i gave it to you and did not keep it for myself.

or am i?

[wolven.livejournal.com]

I believe I made it very clear that I was hopped up on Beastly cold medication, at the time of writing. The testing thing was a round to get to that very point.

Tests should be to find answers, not support biases. But if the questions are "how do they respond in these situations" then testing, in this manner is perfectly valid. Simply annoying as hell, when dealing with other test subjects.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't know. It's pretty awesome.

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Damn. When I took it, all I got was something along the lines of 'Urrrrrrmmmm.....*insert mental drooling*...Guh?'

Well, it doesn't have to be for testing, assuming there's only one of Him/Her/It. It could because They Like it that way, because it Has to be for various genetic, social, or spiritual reasons. Coure, I'm pretty sure the Family's got more than one Personage involved, but that might just be me.

[momentai.livejournal.com]

If the test is to find an answer that supports your bias than it is perfectly acceptable. I think the problem would arise if you intentionally misreperesnt the findings to support your thesis or view the answer obtusely with the intent to willfully misunderstand it.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Only supporting the initial bias is some shitty testing criteria, i do say.

'The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny..."' -Isaac Asimov

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Infinites in one, i'd say, as, again, facets of the whole. Could be necessary, but the fact still makes it intentional. Still makes the different ideas "Supposed" to be there...

Of course the fight could supposed to be there, too...

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Well, of Course it is. The conflicts and the agreements are parts of the whole, as well.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Pre-xactly...

[pallandrome.livejournal.com]

Two things.

(disclaimer, I'm a christian, sure, but one of those christians the other Christians don't like cause I slap them upside the head and tell them not to act like jackasses all the time)

First on testing. I feel it is sorta neccissary. The storm didn't hit your house to "test" you. It hit your house because neccissary weather systems caused it to be so. And it didn't miss your house cause God loves you either. God loves all of us, but he's not gonna screw over a global weather complexity to save you from reshingling your roof. Also, a lot of "testing" comes entirely from man made fuckups. Free will baby. Love it or leave it (that is a threat, not a choice).

As for the entire "facets" thing. That old question, "Can God create a rock so heavy that He cannot lift it?" applies. The answer is of course he can. And then he can lift it. What's being allpowerful good for if you can't play with causuality paradoxes like they are putty? What I mean is that if he's supposed to be everything, then yes, he's multifaceted. He's also narrower than Wolven's bony behind and more encompasing than my own pendulous posterior. The only hard, fast truth I can tell you about god is that he's probably mad good at Trivial Persuit.

And for the record, I use God and He because we all know who/what I'm generally referring to, and cause it is convenient.

/rantoff

[pallandrome.livejournal.com]

(post rant note, and I apologize to Wolven for monopolizing his LJ for a bit)

The Carlemengo from "Angels & Demons" had a great point. If you had a son, would you prevent him from skateboarding? Even though he could get hurt, or even killed? Of course not. You'd give him some advice, and some cautions, and then you'd let him go. Thats sorta how I see the human/God relationship, but meybe that's just me.

Also, read Angels & Demons. It's really good, and I daresay it's better than Davinci Code.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Precisely. Thank you.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Yeah, i dug that book, a lot. Everyone i know who's read both has said that the former is the better novel.