Something i realised, while writing notes, for my paper:

[wolven7]

Fleming & John - [Carol of the Bells]--- In many ways, I hate thinking like famous people, or people who have lived before me, because people assume that your ideas aren't your own. That you've read them somewhere, and copied them down... If an idea comes to you, in the course of your daily thoughts, due to your surroundings, but not brought about by any one specific conversation in any vein, then it as orginal as any other you've had. That it may bear resemblance to something that has come and gone before makes no difference.

Duke Ellington & John Coltrane - [Stevie]--- My ideas are my own. I find those that agree with me, afterward, generally when I've hit a wall. Then the things i see are where we differ, and i solidify my own ideas, more. I've always thought it best to formulate your own ideas, then do research, in the world, and experiemnts to test them. Don't go searching Only for that which agrees, but have an idea of what you're looking for. If you don't find it, then either make it, or shrug, and get on with your life.

My choice of words, for my departure was enacted, because it's meant to be true. By "the Grid" i mean the internet communications grid. I mean that, between now and when it is done, I will not be available by the normal means in which you avail yourselves of me. You'll have to try a little harder.

Patsy Cline - [Crazy]--- It was not until several hours after my word choice that i saw that one Warren Ellis had chosen the exact same phrasing... Now, yeah, maybe it's becoming common parlance, enough to be coincidence... But i can't help notice that, and the other synchronous things, and maleabilities, today... But, more than that, it made me mad to think that people tend to think i'm pulling my ideas and plans from other source material, than my own head.

OhGr - [DoG]--- Ideas are from Self, first. All others, second, at best.

Good night. See you in several hours.

Comments

[wacko1138.livejournal.com]

Ideas are from Self, first. All others, second, at best.

Of course if we all share a common idea space then when the same idea originates from two people, it is the same idea, but also belongs to each person.

(Other's have articulated that better, but I'm only half awake right now. I don't know that I've linked to this since we've started reading each other so here is a conversation between Dave Sim and Alan Moore, ostensibily discussing From Hell, but covering so much more, including the idea of a common brain space from which ideas originate. If you haven't read it, I really think you should.)

[wolven.livejournal.com]

comorbid and I call it "brainpooling."

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Meh. I'm always prepared to not have thought of things first. Or to have. To me, it doesn't matter Where the ideas came from; in the end, it's the ideas themselves, and their effects. Although in art it gets tricky. Influences shift and mingle and reshift so much that you could repeat an image, or a style, and not even realize it.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

My frustration come when people don't listen to me, or dismiss my ideas, because they think i'm copying someone else. That's what pisss me Right Off.

[lightspeak.livejournal.com]

I agree that ideas can originate with an individual if they are actually engaging and assimilating the unique environment from which they see things. It's kind of an irony because at the same time I believe there is nothing new under the sun. I suppose the uniqueness lies in the way we interpret the culture, ourselves and who we are as individuals. There is a commonality in the problems and the 'human issues' but the fact that we are capable of putting an original spin on it gives us a significance that motivates us in the processes of life. It makes it all worth while I suppose. Like we are actually going somewhere and are capable of making things happen.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

IF the universe Is, then everything is old, and, at the same time, waiting to be discovered, and expressed. Old things can be recombined in new ways...

If you don't mind my asking, how did you find me, and what school, in DC, did you attend? I went to Georgetown Day, and i'd like to know if i know you from years ago...

other source material

[morven.livejournal.com]

Your post brought up some interesting thoughts.

Sometimes the great ideas we have as humans are great because they
reach something universal either about, well, the universe, or the human
experience.

Those are the memes and muses that people remember, and they become known or
famous because they touch people, and so often they do trigger reminiscence of the last "Aha" moment we have on a similar vein. Share a great idea and someone will be sure to tell you immediately what it reminds them of, if they have the venue. Often that's because it reached them and they are processing and interacting with how your idea has affected them.

Personally, I would consider it a sign that you are reaching people on a universal level, because they are forced to find connections to your communications in their world-view. You are speaking in archetypes at that point and the minds you are in touch with are sending back confirming signals.

I have thought about this process in my own life, as working in a bookstore tends to create the sense that everything you say, especially the more original and inspiring, can be found in a book. People just want to find keys to the door I show them so they feel they have other ways to go back. When I find those who can do the same for me I try not to ask them where their inspiration comes from, but I used to!

Re: other source material

[wolven.livejournal.com]

I agree, here, but, as stated above, what usually comes of that recognition, in my experience, is people disrespecting your idea, your base construction, because they think you didn't think of it, on your own. Like anyone Ever Really thinks of anything, on their own.... But fuck it.

My point is that, in seeing that resemblance, people i've known have been less apt to attach the "I've seen this before; it must be important" tag to it, and more likely to apply the "I've seen this before. If you have to copy your ideas, why should i listen to you" tag, with all its inheretnt assumptions.

Re: other source material

[morven.livejournal.com]

That does indeed suck! Little else pisses me off more than my expression being disregarded or written off.

Sorry its happening to ya! :/

Re: other source material

[wolven.livejournal.com]

It'll be ok. Sadly, however, it's one of the only things left, in the world, that can incite my feeling like i need to justify my words, to the public.