Well, we begin at first principles.
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wolven71) Choice Creates. The ability to choose, the ability to perceive that choice, and the choice itself can allow the choosing party to create anything.
2) Perception dictates reality. That which you see, feel, hear, know, believe, and otherwise perceive dictate what is "True," about your world. If you see that the law of gravity does not work, all the time, for everyone, then you know that to be true, for part of your world.
3) Choice dictates perception. This means many different things. You choose, first, to perceive, and That you can choose and perceive. You next choose How you will perciecve.
4) Choice dictates Preference (dictates Perception). When and as you choose, your choices will fall into certain semi-predictable categories of things. Things that you will aim for, and try to espouse, more than others. The sanctity of life, in all it's various forms. The belief that even rocks have souls. Modified Mono-Theism. Whatever. They are your preferences.
5) Preference dictates Perception. Combine 3 and 4. Adding this: We will see and hear, mainly what agrees with our preferences. Everything else must work much harder to penetrate our perceptions, and, thereby, our understandings.
6) Choice of Preference and subsequent Perception guide our universal Understanding. What we choose to see and hear and perceive is what we will, to varying degress, choose to investigate and understand.
7) Perennialism may be wrong. It may not, in fact, be true that all paths lead to the mountain top. All paths may nead to very different places, indeed. But those places all reside within a universe of possibility, and Infinity.
8) "Nothing is true. Everything is permissible." -- Hassan ibn Sabbah. There is no absolute truth, save what we make, in this world, through our perceptions, provings, and beliefs. All acts, therefore, are permissible through their inability to contain objective truth or falsity.
9) "Everything is true. Nothing is permissible." -- Damien Williams. The truths we make, in the world, are Utter Truth. They mesh with and drive what we know and believe, about the universe, if we truly allow them to be Our Truths. They should flow from and through us, and they are, a priori, those things that make sense, to Us. Therefore any act, in the world, wil violate the sanctity of another individual's Truth.
10) Combine 8 and 9, in the double negative, double positive, and realise that things are Neither and Both. It is the nature of Infinity to contain everything, in cluding things and their "logical paradoxes."
11) "There's more to life than this." -- Björk. There are many more points, but this can, i guess, count as a non-restrictive firsts...
Now you know more about my brain-meat workings than you probably wanted to. So there we are, for now.
{11.01pm: Oh yeah, that's the other thing: These may all be obviously true, but you know what? They take Work. You must first choose, and then work to bring that choice to fruition. Tha End.}
2) Perception dictates reality. That which you see, feel, hear, know, believe, and otherwise perceive dictate what is "True," about your world. If you see that the law of gravity does not work, all the time, for everyone, then you know that to be true, for part of your world.
3) Choice dictates perception. This means many different things. You choose, first, to perceive, and That you can choose and perceive. You next choose How you will perciecve.
4) Choice dictates Preference (dictates Perception). When and as you choose, your choices will fall into certain semi-predictable categories of things. Things that you will aim for, and try to espouse, more than others. The sanctity of life, in all it's various forms. The belief that even rocks have souls. Modified Mono-Theism. Whatever. They are your preferences.
5) Preference dictates Perception. Combine 3 and 4. Adding this: We will see and hear, mainly what agrees with our preferences. Everything else must work much harder to penetrate our perceptions, and, thereby, our understandings.
6) Choice of Preference and subsequent Perception guide our universal Understanding. What we choose to see and hear and perceive is what we will, to varying degress, choose to investigate and understand.
7) Perennialism may be wrong. It may not, in fact, be true that all paths lead to the mountain top. All paths may nead to very different places, indeed. But those places all reside within a universe of possibility, and Infinity.
8) "Nothing is true. Everything is permissible." -- Hassan ibn Sabbah. There is no absolute truth, save what we make, in this world, through our perceptions, provings, and beliefs. All acts, therefore, are permissible through their inability to contain objective truth or falsity.
9) "Everything is true. Nothing is permissible." -- Damien Williams. The truths we make, in the world, are Utter Truth. They mesh with and drive what we know and believe, about the universe, if we truly allow them to be Our Truths. They should flow from and through us, and they are, a priori, those things that make sense, to Us. Therefore any act, in the world, wil violate the sanctity of another individual's Truth.
10) Combine 8 and 9, in the double negative, double positive, and realise that things are Neither and Both. It is the nature of Infinity to contain everything, in cluding things and their "logical paradoxes."
11) "There's more to life than this." -- Björk. There are many more points, but this can, i guess, count as a non-restrictive firsts...
Now you know more about my brain-meat workings than you probably wanted to. So there we are, for now.
{11.01pm: Oh yeah, that's the other thing: These may all be obviously true, but you know what? They take Work. You must first choose, and then work to bring that choice to fruition. Tha End.}
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Date: 2004-04-06 12:42 pm (UTC)signed,
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Predetermination and free will are both true. We are determined to do what we will choose to do, and that does not mean that we will choose only what is determined for us. They are different statements and both are true.
How i got here? I chose to be here. Same as you, and the Universe, which are all God.
If you have refutation, please address my points individually, and collectively, with Whys and Hows, rather than a blanket statement of "Wrongness."
Thank you.
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Date: 2004-04-06 05:43 pm (UTC)Re: pallandrome is me
But until then, it can be anything. Fun, eh?
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Date: 2004-04-06 05:49 pm (UTC)Re: pallandrome is me
Moo hoo ha ha ha..
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Date: 2004-04-06 05:53 pm (UTC)Re: pallandrome is me
Formulation of a responce, in real time
Date: 2004-04-07 12:04 pm (UTC)What is often forgotten in Perennialism is that paths are two directional vectors of motion. Moving towards something also means you can move away from something. And somewhere, far back down those many thousands of roads, there is a starting point. Though there are many sidetracks along the way, which lead through forests of lost souls and things of shadow, the path leads both to the Start, and the Goal. The direction you walk is your choise. Hense, number 6).
11) "There's more to life than this." -- Björk
Of course there is. We are flesh, we are spirit. The flesh is imprefect, granted to us by billions of years of happenstance evolution, a patchwork of things that work, and things which once worked. The spirit is something not of the flesh, yet resides within its palace of meat, providing a guidance for the lower fuctions of the flesh.
The flesh says "Food" and the Spirit choses waffles or beef, lottus petals or lettus. It experiences through the flesh, caring for it in the process. When at last it is time for it to depart, it leaves the flesh, which fails without the guidance of knowing proper function any longer. Thus there is death, the burining of the palace of meat in the fire of decomposition, which feeds the earth. And from that fire, the spirit arises pheonix like, to be born again, or to find its place along the paths.
"Have I no control, is my soul not mine?
Am I not just man, destiny defined?"
- Joy, VNV Nation
Re: Formulation of a responce, in real time
"And it is all common to me
From where I am to begin; for there Shall I
come back again."
11) And also, by more, i mean, as i do, a lot, recently, that there is Infinity. There is also the Physical, alond with the needs Of the incarnate world. Not only thought and works of will, and not only acts of the flesh. Both, neither, &c.
It's.. an intricate and tangled process, but very simple, and meaningful. Conservation of matter and Energy, continuing to work, until they Don't, anymore. Fire and flesh, together, air and mind to Move it and make it grow.
Is it any wonder i was such a fan of Heraclitus?
Hm... Two pre-Socratics, in one response. I should do some re-reading, there.
Re: Formulation of a responce, in real time
Date: 2004-04-07 12:29 pm (UTC)The elemental processes of life are, in fact, quite important. Flesh of the Earth, which Burns with the Fire of conversion, fueld by the Breath of Air, and cooled by the Water of Life. But the Mind is something of its own element. I am a firm beleiver in a six elemental system, not four. Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Spirit, Darkness (absenses?). We are composed of All Six, in constant transition from one to the other, in a great web of interactions.
And of course, this web is infinite. Even when the Body Dies, the elemental processes continue, to break down the Palace of Meat, and return it to the Earth from wich it is made. This is why so many cultures describe man as made from clay or earth, or grown from seed, by the hand of a god. We come from the earth and return to it. Perahps, we are being myopic. Our start and finish is right beneith our feet. The path its self is a Mobius strip, which teaches us to look down.
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