.DOGMA II

[wolven7]

Shut Up. I'm going to say things I've said before.

I want you to understand that you can get anything you want, in the world. Hell, i'll Give you what i can, as long as you know that "nobody gets out of this unscathed," to quote my dad. There are consequences to your actions. There always will be. The second you start shunting them, onto other things, in the universe, you might as well just stop. Though that, too, is a valid choice. But fuck it. Consequences. Actions have them, in this reality. The best we can really hope for is the manipulation of probablility, such that the consequences and the actions are all beneficial. But, then, what about those other realities? The possibilities have to play out somewhere, don't they? So there are consequences to our consequences... And we can also choose to re-write the rules.

Ignorance... Is a kind of bliss. There is less pain, there, than in the knowing of what may or may not be.

But i've always been a masochist, on various levels.

Doesn't have to be you, too... I just kind of hoped that the choice would appeal, of its own merrits...

Whatever.

Comments

[momentai.livejournal.com]

Yes, the consequences must play out somewhere and time, if only b/c an apple fell on some Brit's head. So, technically, you can't rewrite anything. If you act, something will react to you and probably against you. If you were clever enough to live withn a sci-fi novel then you might avoid the adverse reaction, but not 4 long.

All you do is delay the inevitable and that's foolish. take the bumps now so you can be free later.

But I disagree on the opener. You can't have "anything", no matter what you accept.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Just because something's "inevitable" doesn't mean you sit around and wait for it, or invite it, immediately. Actions and choices are of the consequence. Otherwise, roll over and die.

As for the "Anything:" i guess that's where we'll disagree, then.

[momentai.livejournal.com]

I would not advocate rolling over at any time. I only ask what do you gain by avoiding the consequences of your actions now? If you are aware that this particular act will lead to a negative consequence, why plan to avoid it? What do you hope to gain in the long term?

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Actually what i was talking about was changing the consequences, not so much avoiding them. Enough change, all around, and everything is, if not fine, then different. If you deny change, on the grounds of equating it with avoidance, then, again, where's the Point?

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Ok. If I'm reading this correctly it's like saying the path is down the hill, but it's up to you whether you tumble, slide, walk, crawl or roll down, and which side of the hill you choose, and that most people just fall, and go where gravity dictates, whining when they hit their head on a rock or somesuch.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Exactly. Thank you for the clarification.

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

Well, your original post's kind of a Command, so how do you debate that? Especially if you agree? ;P
There Are consequences, no matter what you do. And you'll never avoid them, because avoidance also has it's own set of consequences. All of it is direction, and ka, and like the convolutions in a fractal, the smallest pieces, and the messiest things become a pattern from far off. So I guess part of the key could be to grasp the pattern, too. Learn how things work, how things flow, and be ever-ready to change to meet the flow.
And maybe I'm just rambling. :P

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Well, honestly, i'd think debating commands (or maybe that's "Defying commands") should come rather easily... Anyway... I agree.

Again, thank you for the clarification.