Political Invective
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wolven7"Exclusive: Newt Lacks Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says":
'Newt Gingrich lacks the moral character to serve as President, his second ex-wife Marianne told ABC News, saying his campaign positions on the sanctity of marriage and the importance of family values do not square with what she saw during their 18 years of marriage. . .
'. . .In her most provocative comments, the ex-Mrs. Gingrich said Newt sought an "open marriage" arrangement so he could have a mistress and a wife.
'She said when Gingrich admitted to a six-year affair with a Congressional aide, he asked her if she would share him with the other woman, Callista, who is now married to Gingrich.
'"And I just stared at him and he said, 'Callista doesn't care what I do,'" Marianne Gingrich told ABC News. "He wanted an open marriage and I refused. . ."'
I want to be nuanced and clear about this, so listen close:
1) THERE IS NOTHING WRONG ON ITS FACE WITH WANTING AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP OF ANY KIND. If two people can come to terms about what Commitment and Love mean to them, aside from a strict adherence to monogamy, then Well Done On Them.
2) Some would say, "Of COURSE the woman for whom you left your first wife and whom you then left for your third wife would state that you lack character."
2a) Did she somehow think he Wouldn't cheat on her, if she didn't agree to the open marriage?
But, lets talk Real Talk: 1) When your wife says she doesn't want an open relationship, and you then continue to, by her definition, Cheat On Her, then YOU ARE CHEATING ON HER. You are breaking vows and trust and consent, left and right.
2) But... after having had an affair with this person, you left your first wife for her, and then you cheated on and left HER, for your 2nd mistress/3rd wife. Who would be Better positioned to know what your moral character looks like, than the person on both sides of the equation?
2a)... I honestly have no answer for this. Did she seriously think things would be that different, once she was in the "Wife" seat?
And finally, that he did ALL OF THIS as Speaker of the House while spearheading the impeachment President Clinton? That's just wholeheartedly disingenuous, hypocritical, and vile.
There's a couple of lines in Matthew and Luke, concerning splinters and logs. Maybe we should remember those.
Anyway, yeah, all of that is in the past, and past is past. But, no, it really isn't. Past is prologue, so seriously look at Newt Gingrich. Look at his "Consulting" work. Loot at his stances on corporate speech, on the Occupy Movements, on... pretty much anything. His behaviour as both a husband and politician is a mere symptom of the underlying disease of the Way He Sees The World.
And this has been your political invective for the day. Carry On.
'Newt Gingrich lacks the moral character to serve as President, his second ex-wife Marianne told ABC News, saying his campaign positions on the sanctity of marriage and the importance of family values do not square with what she saw during their 18 years of marriage. . .
'. . .In her most provocative comments, the ex-Mrs. Gingrich said Newt sought an "open marriage" arrangement so he could have a mistress and a wife.
'She said when Gingrich admitted to a six-year affair with a Congressional aide, he asked her if she would share him with the other woman, Callista, who is now married to Gingrich.
'"And I just stared at him and he said, 'Callista doesn't care what I do,'" Marianne Gingrich told ABC News. "He wanted an open marriage and I refused. . ."'
I want to be nuanced and clear about this, so listen close:
1) THERE IS NOTHING WRONG ON ITS FACE WITH WANTING AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP OF ANY KIND. If two people can come to terms about what Commitment and Love mean to them, aside from a strict adherence to monogamy, then Well Done On Them.
2) Some would say, "Of COURSE the woman for whom you left your first wife and whom you then left for your third wife would state that you lack character."
2a) Did she somehow think he Wouldn't cheat on her, if she didn't agree to the open marriage?
But, lets talk Real Talk: 1) When your wife says she doesn't want an open relationship, and you then continue to, by her definition, Cheat On Her, then YOU ARE CHEATING ON HER. You are breaking vows and trust and consent, left and right.
2) But... after having had an affair with this person, you left your first wife for her, and then you cheated on and left HER, for your 2nd mistress/3rd wife. Who would be Better positioned to know what your moral character looks like, than the person on both sides of the equation?
2a)... I honestly have no answer for this. Did she seriously think things would be that different, once she was in the "Wife" seat?
And finally, that he did ALL OF THIS as Speaker of the House while spearheading the impeachment President Clinton? That's just wholeheartedly disingenuous, hypocritical, and vile.
There's a couple of lines in Matthew and Luke, concerning splinters and logs. Maybe we should remember those.
Anyway, yeah, all of that is in the past, and past is past. But, no, it really isn't. Past is prologue, so seriously look at Newt Gingrich. Look at his "Consulting" work. Loot at his stances on corporate speech, on the Occupy Movements, on... pretty much anything. His behaviour as both a husband and politician is a mere symptom of the underlying disease of the Way He Sees The World.
And this has been your political invective for the day. Carry On.
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Date: 2012-01-19 10:47 pm (UTC)simply from the standpoint of the open marriage question alone, we can see that this is a guy who, when denied what he wants, goes ahead and takes it anyway regardless of legality or morality.
but then, i havent ever liked gingrich, so i've never been willing to look at him as a valid candidate.
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Date: 2012-01-20 01:54 pm (UTC)Exactly, and is perfectly willing to use someone else's being in a similar situation to destroy them, if he wants them destroyed. Because It's Not Him.
Just... I really worry what it says about the social psyche if he gets the nomination.
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Date: 2012-01-20 05:23 pm (UTC)Also, shades of the Smiler all over again.
Luckily, this time it's against an incumbent and I don't think he can beat Obama.
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Date: 2012-01-20 12:46 pm (UTC)Youd probably be surprised the lies people tellthemselves when it comes to sex and romance. i wontsay love because i think we all agree that real love would cause the beloved to be in a difficult position that is damaging to them. which is why the majority of cheaters dump their lover afterthedivorce.
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Date: 2012-01-20 12:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-20 02:02 pm (UTC)We really just can't know for sure that Gingrich didn't/doesn't love these women, but it definitely seems like a weird way of loving people: With disregard for their wants and needs.
And I'm not surprised that it happens, just that it keeps happening. Like people seem to almost never get more cautious or wary, in the face of their own or their partners' actions. At least not without also turning cynical.
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Date: 2012-01-20 02:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-20 12:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-20 01:52 pm (UTC)