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Am I the only person who sees the idea of Apocalypse as a Learning tool? Something there to test, temper and guide you, so that you learn, become better, and do more? I don't see it as an Ending. That comes later. I see it as, literally, a period of revelation, of understanding.

If infinity is infinity, then the universes are always ending, right now, and all anyone has to do is to know how to reach out, and twist, and present that, just so. Tiny moments of eternal endings, to make the forever better.

That's what I'm in it for. Black Phoenixes and all.

Date: 2007-12-16 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morven.livejournal.com
It's like a macrocosm-fitted reminder that *now* is all we have. So make it beautiful and sing through it.

At least that's where I'm grooving on it.

Date: 2007-12-16 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Interesting.

Date: 2007-12-16 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonandserpent.livejournal.com
“Ilya Prigogine, the Nobel Prize-winning pioneer of the study of self-organizing systems, has observed that a breakdown of progress is frequently an illusion. Under the shattered fragments, new structures and processes ferment. And from these innovations come fresh orders whose wonders appear numberless.”

-- Howard Bloom, The Lucifer Principle

Date: 2007-12-16 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonandserpent.livejournal.com
Other than where Bloom's anti-islamic, anti-native american issues pop out (really one horrible chapter), The Lucifer Principle is a fantastic book, and a must read for anyone who thinks the Apocalypse isn't necessarily a bad idea.

Date: 2007-12-16 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
I've been meaning to check that out, actually...
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Re: I see.

Date: 2007-12-16 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Thanks.

Date: 2007-12-16 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nytehiker1.livejournal.com
Actually I totally agree with you on that.

Date: 2007-12-16 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Okay, seems a lot of people do. It had just seemed, for a time, that everyone saw it as this End, after which everything would be perfect forever.

Holy blue!

Date: 2007-12-17 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
... That ends up being the answer. And why I had those various hot-wheels races, and why I play Legend of the Five Rings now.

I don't want to figure out the absolute winner, I want to play.

Re: Holy blue!

Date: 2007-12-17 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Hence not being a Buddhist.

(headtilt)

Date: 2007-12-17 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
Buddhists want to figure out the final winner? The champeen for all time, close down the Olympics we have found the Best? The athlete deserving of The Platinum Medal? About what kind of End are you talking?

'ats a bit that annoys me about fans; I agree your team is probably pretty good, but if it's the best for time immemorial, why do they keep playing? Might as well take them out of the running and just have tournaments for second place. Of course, there were rumblings to that effect in the '90s about the Bulls.

Re: (headtilt)

Date: 2007-12-17 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Buddhists want the game to be over, and that's the ultimate point. To leave the ball in the middle of the court, and go home.

Ah, right, Nirvana.

Date: 2007-12-17 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
Or as Animal said, "Show over! Go home!"
There's a satisfaction in completion as well.

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