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Deadsy - [The Key to Gramercy Park]--- I have, of course, been reading a great deal of Borges, recently, and that has caused me to think a lot on the subject on Infinity. Long-time readers will, of course, ask, with that really sarcastic edge in their voices, "Well, Damien, when Aren't you thinking about infinity?" (Deadsy - [Winners]). And, even though they were being sarcastic, they're right. Let's take a walk.

Infinity. It means, without limits, without finality. Not finite. Most people don't think about what that means, when they talk about the different "Kinds" of infinity. This universe is infinite. The different combinations and formulations of matter and energy are literally without end. Everything that can be expressed is and will be expressed. And then this universe will cease to exist, in the standard sense. Really, that's a misleading thing to say, because how can infinity cease to be? (Deadsy - [Brand New Love]). In order to be "without limits" that means that you are without definition, without form and meaning, on the whole. Your components are formed and defined but, ultimately, they make up you. Everything. Nothing. This is slipping into paradox, again, and you generally tend to glaze over (for the most part) when that happens. Let's back up.

Infinity. Without Limits. All Encompassing. The Number Line is infinite. Somewhere in the number line exists a numerical representation of you, your house, your friends, and the number line itself. Somewhere in the number line exists a numerical representation for the refutation of the existence of the number line. To say that there isn't is to deny the very concept of infinity, because you have Placed A Limitation On It. When a universe is created, it starts as a simple "Am/Was/Will Be." (Deadsy - [Mansion World]). It is a recognition of selfhood, an affirmation that I am, and in so being, there is something that I Am Not. I section myself. As I section and divide and multiply my forms and expressions, I begin to realise that I am all that there is. There is Nothing outside of me, for that would simply expand my supposed limits. Everything is a part of me, and I am expressed in everything. I am infinite.

And then, in the course of my understanding, I don't like the current combination of things, and infinite expression of characteristics. I am done with the scene of focus, and so I shift it. Creation "ends" and a new one "begins." But it is nothing new. Nothing that hasn't happened before, you understand. You simply need to see a different part of yourself. But because you are infnite, every part of yourself is always in focus, now and forever (whatever "forever" means), and there are an infinite set of yous and mes having this conversation, because you are without end, and, if there weren't, you wouldn't be infinite.

Deadsy - [Lake Waramaug]--- You are and you are not, there are infinite expressions of "reality" in which you are purple, green, a pig, and a leprechaun, all with the same thoughts and feelings that you have right now. There are infinite expressions where your genetic structure has created an opposite you. Some thing that loves everything you hate, and seeks to destroy all you hold dear. Somewhere in the myriad corners of existence there is a you that hates you, and wants to kill you. Not itself, mind you, but the you that You Are, right now, reading this. It wants to slit your throat, because it refuses to believe that it is anything but the "real you."

Deadsy - [The Elements]--- And nothing you can say will change its mind.

Now, I have some very definite thoughts on the applications of this very... particular understanding, but I want you to think about this. I want to know what you think about it, refutations, complaints, horrors, anything. And then I want to hear what you think we can do with this, if true.

But, for now. I should go read, and think about other things. Ta.

[Edit: Oh, and also? [livejournal.com profile] mech_angel's Making T-Shirts Now. You love them, and you want one. This you, and all the other you's. Except the ones who don't.]

Date: 2007-07-12 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadistic-apollo.livejournal.com
ifinite people sound like they'd be rather weak of character. I'd like to believe that even in an infiinte plane I'd define myself and as such anythings that don't fit that definition aren't me.

-not me- -not me- -not me- -not me-[JOE] -not me- -not me- -not me- -not me- -not me-

no shades of joe or variations that would change the core definition

Date: 2007-07-12 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
And in a truly infinite expression, that is true. It is also false.

Date: 2007-07-12 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadistic-apollo.livejournal.com
unless i'm infinitly me.

it could be like "the one' where i simply steal all the other me's powers and add them to my own!

Date: 2007-07-12 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Infinity means that you are already infinitely you, and have already killed all the other yous, and have only ever been that one, from the beginning, and are too weak to not have died, when you came to kill you. Always. Forever. You are those things.

If you haven't expressed them, it's because this infinite chunk of infinity that is you has not, yet, turned its infinite all seeing, but artificially limited perception toward it.

Date: 2007-07-12 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadistic-apollo.livejournal.com
couldn't jsut have a collective will sit down and decide that this is how I'll be from here on out?

Date: 2007-07-12 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
But you already have, and are, forever. Also, some of you hate the idea and swear vendetta against you and all traitors.

Date: 2007-07-12 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadistic-apollo.livejournal.com
well then they're not me.

Date: 2007-07-12 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
And you're not them. Unless and until you/they want or need to be.

Congratulations. You have observed yourself. State defined, for the moment.

This sounds like

Date: 2007-07-12 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
duck duck duck duck GOOSE!

Date: 2007-07-13 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownbinaries.livejournal.com
Now, I have some very definite thoughts on the applications of this very... particular understanding, but I want you to think about this. I want to know what you think about it, refutations, complaints, horrors, anything. And then I want to hear what you think we can do with this, if true.

If we are infinity, in miniature, and it is part of us, then there is the connectivity required for all kinds of cause and effect.

There. Application. Your turn.

Date: 2007-07-13 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
If we are infinity, in miniature, then we have the ability to recombine into any formulation of ourselves or anyone/-thing else.

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