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They Might Be Giants - [New York City]--- Working on getting fully back together, here. My goals are all still pretty impeded, so far as thesis work goes, but I've been giving serious thought to something [livejournal.com profile] raoin posted about distance learning at the University of Exeter in their MA in Western Esotericism.

Tom Waits - [Russian Dance]--- You heard me. I can't seem to find the paperwork for the work, though. Also, would I be able to work there, while working at GSU, or would I have to end one? I don't know that I'm willing to simply end a program which represents the past 6 years of my life, without a symbol of my achievement, though, if you can understand what I mean, even if they don't respect the work I'm trying to do. I want something that says "Fuck you; I played your game, and I fucking well Won It." You know?

Meeeehhhh, you don't know. (Faith & the Muse - [Fade and Remain]). Every time I talk about this, someone else tells me to play the game, fall in line, compromise, because that's what the world is. Which is about when I tell them that they are spcifically mishearing me, because I don't want to fall in line or have to compromise, any further than I alreaday have, because that's not the way the world should have to be. Which is when they tell me "That may be, but it is what it is." And it Is what it is.

You can't change the what is. You can only change the what will be, by dealing with the what is, in a way that makes a difference. And that's what I plan to do, and what I've always planned to do. The only question, now, is how to procede. What steps can I take, that allow me to do good work, and lay proper ground, while still letting them see that I can play their little game called Academia that they think is called "Life"?

Throwing Muses - [Snakeface]--- Something on which I should meditate, tonight, I believe. I have a few papers to grade, so I'll be off.

Good talking with you, again.

Date: 2007-02-20 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raoin.livejournal.com
i was under the impression that all the distance learning there was set up so that you went at your own pace to finish their program...

that being, you could start it, and work on it as you had time...

but i havent read it all completely because i was really busy that day and had been fucking off when i found it.

glad to hear you are getting renewed.

i dont want you to compromise. if you compromise then the hopes for people like me are completely shot. i know this is selfish. but i feel enormously better knowing that someone else is trying to make headway in the same direction as me.

Date: 2007-02-20 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Selfish is good. If you care about it enough, for you, youy'll want to make sure it gets done.

Date: 2007-02-20 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raoin.livejournal.com
yeah, but, well, i perceive it something like this:

one person alone faces a monumental challenge to change pre-existing bliks held by our department and the greater academic field at large.

two people have a better chance.

and so on and so forth.

in an extreme case scenario, if i could get every in-coming grad student to suddenly show an interest in these things, the higher-ups would have no choice but to take all efforts into consideration more seriously than they do now. and they would have to suddenly start considering things they are at current dismissing.

i had someone working on their PhD tell me (by LJ community) that if i want a job i need to focus on a field/religion that is currently accepted (see the big five) because no one in the last decade has been hired to teach in NRMs, New Age, or Paganism as their specialty field. i think that's completely stupid. just because no one has yet been hired to teach in those as-yet-obscure specialties does not mean that they wont ever be, and if no one is pushing for such teaching positions to exist, then why would they?

they more people who go looking for this, the more likely it is to start being supplied.

right now no one in america is offering a graduate program track on the things i am interested in. but they are offering a program track that is both accepted, employable, and does include things i am interested in (if in a sort of by-product kind of way) - American Religions. and i may chose to use this path. but my goal is to force my own desired program/degree track into existence.

Date: 2007-02-21 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
We'll see what we can do. I need to talk to some people today, anyway.

Date: 2007-02-20 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raoin.livejournal.com
i am also considering this degree, simply because it deals in subjects i just cant seem to find anywhere else.

i think i need to know these things.

and it would technically be something to do while i wait for ryam to finish his degree here at GSU... god am i spoiled.

Date: 2007-02-20 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
I think I know a great many people who need this degree.

Date: 2007-02-20 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmn-rdr-caoimhe.livejournal.com
Do you think it might have to do with not knowing the outcome of a possible worst-case scenario?

Date: 2007-02-20 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
How do you mean? You mean MY not knowing, or Other people not knowing? Because I have a few clear ideas about the WCS, even thoughI haven't experienced them, so I can't be sid to truly know....

Date: 2007-02-20 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmn-rdr-caoimhe.livejournal.com
Your own. Because if it's for the purpose of betterment, you're gonna need to be able to be able to cover your own ass if shit goes awry.

Although, I suppose having to explain things kinda ruins the purpose in some cases. :/

Date: 2007-02-20 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Yeah, the problem is that I've experienced about as bad as the Thesis Process can get, at this point. The Absolute Worst Case Scenario, now, is being told that NOTHING I do from this vantage will be accepted, and that I need to start ALL OVER.

See, barring that, I can still talk about something relating to the fields of magic and philosophy and religious studies. I retain some small hope.

Date: 2007-02-20 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salrushdy.livejournal.com
yehh, academia with its awkward rules, which target to a very average person is pain in the ass, I have to admit
though some people(I am one of them) cannot be 'framed'
may be you have something from that too

Date: 2007-02-21 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Most likely. Hopefully I'll find a program that understands and fosters that.

Bah

Date: 2007-02-20 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karishi.livejournal.com
Indeed, there are existing inroads and pathways, well-trod and easy. That's the way the world is.
Walk the easier ways, or don't. Your friends want things to go well, and easily, for you. I don't really fault them for that.
Spend time on discernment, to avoid offroad behavior that will landslide you backward or seriously injure you. And in WWJD fashion, learn what all the rules are and know them well so that you understand precisely how to break them to maximum effect.

Re: Bah

Date: 2007-02-21 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
That's always been my goal, but somewhere along the way I lost sight of it...

Everything I do can be summed up in that idea: Know the rules well enough to know best how to break them.

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