Diary of a Drug Fiend... Only not really, at all, no.

[wolven7]

So someone randomly came up to me, today, asking if I knew what DMT was. He asked if i knew what it was for, and if I'd done it, and if i knew anyone who did, and if I didn't, how did I experience shamanic journeys, and experiences, and if I'd ever flown to the other side of the universe while "meditating," and if I'd ever read Carlos Casteneda, and how it was hard to find people who were into these kinds of things, and how he was trying to separate the people who were worth a damn, from the people who were full of shit, and how could he do that, if people didn't want to talk about these things?

Now, I don't disagree with him, regarding the conversation and the looking to people, but I take umbrage at the idea that i would require an hallucinagen to have a shamanic experience of world shattering, paradigm apocalypting depth. That there was a doubt that I could, in fact, manage to experience many wonderful things, in an occult and Weird Shit kind of way. This bothers the living shit, out of me, because it's people using the shamanic Aid as a crutch, as the easy way to get there, without the work, without the years of study.

You think there's a shaman out there, a medicine man or woman, a priestess who can't reach a state of supreme connection, without help, if he or she really has to? Is that what you really think?

Then you're a fucking moron.

You learn the hard way, first, then you get the easy way. Hard way, then easy way. Otherwise you don't apprecate it, and you fuck yourself. If you think i'm wrong there, look at some history.

Night.

Comments

[misanthropic1.livejournal.com]

same with everything in life: learn the hard way first. effort expended = more appreciation of Quality.

practical example: when learning to ride horses and subsequently teaching it. anyone, even if never having ridden a horse before, can learn how to successfully navigate a course of showjumps on a grade c or above trained showjumper. but those who painstakingly learn on stubborn, dead-mouthed riding school horses to do this always end up the better riders. those learning on high quality horses will never be able to break in their own horse and teach it to jump a course of showjumps, will never have the skills to get on a disobedient, even dangeorus horse and get it to do what they want, and definitely will never be able to teach anyone to ride. as in really ride, not just sit on a horse and steer...

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Exactly my point: If it gets away from you, and all you've had is led, trained, docile experiences (LSD, Mescaline, DMT, Psylocibilin, whatever), then you won't be as equipped to reel it back it.

But if you push yourself out there. Drag yourself piece by piece across your existence, then, with proper training, no situation is truly out of your control.

[tribeofone.livejournal.com]

Every serious mystic tradition I know of uses drugs during at least one of the initiation steps to se if the aspirant is ready to deal with an alter version of reality or if they are faking it, It allows them to blame the higher or alter state of perception soley on the drug and absolves them of responsibility should they not be ready fo te next step, their little ego can blame it all on a drug trip, it also serves to weed out the week as they will falsely think that the drug is the way to power not themself.

and the answer to atleast one of those questions is yes

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and i can understand that, but I also think that people should be confronted with the stark terror of their own whateverthefuck. Also, see the above comment about the ability to pull your own ass out of the fire.

[renatus.livejournal.com]

You learn the hard way, first, then you get the easy way. Hard way, then easy way. Otherwise you don't apprecate it, and you fuck yourself.

Just like mathematics!

I remember the complaining in my HS calculus class when we learned the shortcut way to do functions, as we had to learn how to do them the drawn out (read:hard) way first and only once we had it down solid did we move on to the shortcut. The teacher explained that if we hadn't learned it the hard way, first, when we screwed up we wouldn't have any idea of why or how to fix it. I did understand why to some extent, but it took me a few more years to understand completely.

[wolven.livejournal.com]

Precisely. You cannot fully appreciate the complexity of the universe by seeing nothing but the big picture, all at once. Be that science, math, magic, religion, or literature.

[unknownbinaries.livejournal.com]

People either are lazy, or feel that because one well-documented case or two did it one way, well then, by fuck, they need to do so, to. This kind of thing is why, despite curiosity, I am loath to try it even after having taken the trip cold sober. That and, after all my ranting againt for all these reasons, feeling kind of 'dirty'.

I hope you gave him a 'What, you can't do it without 'em?'

[wolven.livejournal.com]

I didn't say it explicitly, but it was in my tone, as I had to go to class. It would have been interesting to continue the conversation in greater depth, though.