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Started reading the Generation Hex essay compilation, today, on the train, and I hit upon a realisation.

So much of the talk, today, is about the "singularity," as the time at which all distinctions between self and other, "subject" and "object" will be broken down, and the technological surfiet will enable us all to become star-spanning gods and goddesses, touching the intricacies of everything.

God that's selfish.

Why can't people simply admit the narcissistic, co-dependent streaks they all have within them, to some degree? Feel free to scream "projection" if you wish, but I believe that we all carry within us the makings of everything else, the bits and pieces that we see in large concentrations elsewhere, in the world. You have gold in you, you know? That's not a metaphor, you actually need trace amounts of gold, to live. Same with other things that, in higher concentrations, would also kill you. Lends strength for the case on a conceptual level. But I digress.

You want to never be alone, never be misunderstood, so you shoot for a world where all are one, and nothing is anything but everything. But it kind of fails, you understand?

In a single consciousness talking to itself, broken, scattered, do you know what you are? You are the equivalent of a voice in someone's head, telling them to burn things.

Reality is "illusorily" fractured, because it needs something to talk to. That's what you are, that's what you were, that's what you ever shall be, unless you aren't. But then you're you. You're reality, and you're all there is.

And then who will you talk to? Who will understand you?

Why are you doing what you're doing?

It's an interesting question, really, because there are an infnite number of ways to reach infinity, and infinite meanings that infinity can have, when you get there.

Makes things really fun.

And no, I'm really not looking to win friends, here, but I'm certainly hoping to influence people.

I have a meeting. Later.

Date: 2006-08-28 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluesummers.livejournal.com
I know someone who's got an essay in that book, I think; Rachel Haywire. I haven't read it.

Date: 2006-08-28 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
The Article is entitled "Eris is My Biatch."

Haven't gotten there, yet.

Date: 2006-08-28 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluesummers.livejournal.com
She has a tattoo that says as much, actually. She's fun to hang out with but she's a bit scatterbrained.

Date: 2006-08-28 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
That's the kind of thing one can expect when one makes those claims. The only way to hold it is to be more Erisian than Eris.

Date: 2006-08-28 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluesummers.livejournal.com
The only way to hold it is to be more Erisian than Eris.

If she fails, it's certainly not for lack of effort.

I met her at last year's Drop Dead Festival when she was the first (and as far as I know, so far the only) person to correctly identify the small golden apple I had painted on my jacket lapel. It was like "whoa."

Date: 2006-08-28 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Those moments always kick ass.

Date: 2006-08-29 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownbinaries.livejournal.com
I saw you in Drop Dead Magazine. Work has it. There was a tiny picture of your band, and you were in what looked like a diaper, a hat, and some paint.

Date: 2006-08-28 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n3m3sis42.livejournal.com
I don't think that the idea of the Singularity really appeals to me. I'm way more selfish than that. I like myself and I don't want to be merged with a bunch of other consciousnesses. :D

Date: 2006-08-28 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
It's a matter of what Kind of selfish your want to be, in the end.

It's a matter of what kind of ___________ You want to be, in the end.

Date: 2006-08-28 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluesummers.livejournal.com
I agree with this- I like knowing that we're all made of the same component parts and molecules of not only each other but also of incomprehensible things that happened incomprehensibly far away, but fundamentally I like having my own little bit of matter and energy to play with until I'm done with it.

Date: 2006-08-28 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Which is why we ar the way we are. Cause we wanted to be that way.`

Date: 2006-08-28 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaerven.livejournal.com
Probably just naive musings of someone who hasn't given it too much thought but there's two things that come to me mind regarding singularity and all-as-one:

1) Somehow I'd expect the communal mind to be like me since I simply can't imagine other workings of mind.

2) Maybe it's the Wintermute effect and we talk to some other 'mind' out there - then there's no more need for the broken single consciousness. I can imagine this not holding though if either the "local" consciousness shatters as soon as it becomes one or there is an instant merge once there's contact to the other.

Date: 2006-08-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
It'd probably be exactly like you. And me and him and her...

But remember: Even after the Wintermute schism fix, it shattered, again. It was the only way for it to know itself, properly, in one paradigm, or another.

Projection!

Date: 2006-08-29 06:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
And I'm also free to call you black.
Thus the answer to how in denial I am relates directly to how many kettle particles are in you.
And how high my recent pot intake...

Re: Projection!

Date: 2006-08-29 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
What an odd set of conditionals.

I am a tyrannosaurus

Date: 2006-08-29 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
Because they rock, and because the molecules that are filtering through me used to be part of tyrannosaurii.

Rar!

Tyrannosaurus roxxors.

Re: I am a tyrannosaurus

Date: 2006-08-29 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
That also makes you Hitler, and Jesus. *nods*

Just make sure you control your recombinations.

Date: 2006-08-30 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownbinaries.livejournal.com
I can't see how the Singularity promises enlightenment and connection for everyone when people don't even want to look past their own noses, dicks and self-gratifications as it is. If the Internet is for porn, what will that be used for?

Date: 2006-08-30 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Wankery.

And that's exactly my point. No matter what is being shot for, here, people are locked in their own heads, most of the time, screaming at the walls, hoping that someone else hears, and agrees. Eventually, they cultivate the few (up to six) people on either side of their visible cube, and they stick with them...

It's not going to Give enlightenment, but that's the dishonest motivating Goal. And that's my problem. It seems a bit crap, in the end.

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