"This stuff is never enough... enough, enough, enough, is never enough."

[wolven7]

Pop Will Eat Itself - [Fatman]--- Today... Spinoza, Heraclitus, Descartes. Feh, on all of you. Shared views through similar windows. If you'll excuse me, i have some serious smoking, drinking, and studying to do. German test, tomorrow. Two tests, Mortal Questions, on Wednesday, and Meta, on the 26th. (PWEI - [Home]). Tired, sickish, and wondering where everyone went...


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[jinxvamp.livejournal.com]

i have been in hiding.

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[(Anonymous)]

Des Cartes and Spinoza have the same views? I'd say that Spinoza's ethics is a beautiful rebuke of the meditations, I mean how can you say that they share the same philosophy? Spinoza is the antichri....I mean anticartesian...and that's why he's so great. And Heraclitus? He's the antithesis of Spinoza too...universal flux seems to be diametrically opposed to Spinoza's philosophy of God being everything material and essential within the universe and therefore constant and unchanging....and besides, having heard some of your philosophy, and having read Spinoza's, I'd say that if anyone shared the same view from different windows it would be you and Spinoza. Back up your statement, I want to know your reasoning behind bunching those three up like that.
-Patrick

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[wolven.livejournal.com]

IF you'd paid attention, you'd know that, in my mind, i've done what Leibniz never could. I've merged them all. And i Share Heraclitus' views, more than Spinoza's, and i think they Both didn't take their arguments far enough.

Unity in variance and change through the Constant Opposition if Opposites. That's what Heraclitus was all about. And that creates God. The Universe. Which, as created, lends contexts and shapes to the oppositional forces which created it, thusly, creating them. As for Descartes? It is all a dream, and the only thing we can know is our own minds. When we doubt that, we shouldn't leave the house. How are they similar? They may not be. But the world they describe, through their philosophies is.

Constant change, with continuity, is what the universe is. Do we notice the change? Rarely. Do we know that the things we believe are out there? No. Do we know that we perceive? Yes. We perceive the universe, and the eternal changeliness of it. We create it, through our perceptions. What does that make us, if not god, for who else can truly create, at a thought, if a subconscious one? Spinoza's god wasn't Changeless, it simply wasn't personal. To Be the moving universe, he knew it couldn't be changeless. The universe grows. Nature expands. It is the underlying Meaning-- if that word can be used-- that stays the same.

Things are the way they are because... Well. It's the best of all possible worlds. And if they were different, or we make them so, then that's true too.

"I wouldn't have been able to interefere, if I wasn't supposed to interefere, so I must've been supposed to, since I did." - Delirium

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[(Anonymous)]

But Spinoza's god was changeless, that's the problem I always had with him. He had to be changeless because to be otherwise would be to imply that god was not a perfect being, at the same time, god encompasses all changes in their infinite variances, but that still means that god is changeless because he encompasses all probabilities, simultaneously as he is necessarily omnitemporal, (that's more me than spinoza of course). The way I see it, if you look at his whole philosophy from a multiverse standpoint, (which he didn't)..it makes a whole lot more sense. An infinite number of universes involving the same essence, which takes into account all of the probabilities of substance. Thereby reconciling free will and determinism, we do have free will from the standpoint of our essence, but within each "reality" we live out one of the infinite permutations of our free will in a way which is determined by the anti-patterns of chaos. blah, but yeah Descartes....man sometimes I just want to go back in time, dress up in a red devil suit outside of his "cozy cabin" and start screaming: "I'm your deciever you little bitch, now what are you going to do about it!?!?!...;and you know what, penis heads like you don't exist, so take your cogito and stick it up your ass...or better yet, return it to the philosopher you stole it from!!!!"...but yeah, I guess we all feel like that sometimes...right?
Heraclitus....yeah, I used to dislike him, because I really believed in formalism, and I thought that universal flux couldn't really be reconciled with it, but now I realize that it can be, it's just that everybody always wanted to pit Parmenides and Heraclitus against each other in some sort of metaphysical death match. The modalities of Spinoza's substance do change, but the substance stays the same, the universe changes, but it's still god, and it's still infinite, and still the same thing...and how can Spinoza's god be impersonal? I mean in a sense, we are all god, because we are made from god, in our bodies and souls. I think you agree with Spinoza a whole lot more than you want to admit.

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[(Anonymous)]

and one other thing, I have paid attention. You just don't like it when other people keep you honest and force you to back up your statements.

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[wolven.livejournal.com]

There is no personality Of god, to which we may pray, not transcendent being with whom we may have a relationship, and from whom we may obtain guidance. That's how, impersonal. As i said, more a Heraclitean. Spinoza was nice and all, but too short-sighted.

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[wolven.livejournal.com]

Bah and Feh. I like it Fine, and i back my stuff up, all the time. Have done it for so long, in fact, that i would have hoped that one could understand me, through the current Context. The Context of Me. I don't find it too oblique, usually... But, lke i said about my papers... i forget, sometimes, that not everyone knows what i'm trying to say, already. Thusly the prophetic nature of the Subject line, in this post: "This Stuff is Never Enough." C'est La Vie.

You say palintropos, I say palintonos

[(Anonymous)]

Spinoza said that too, it's why he was excommunicated from Judaism.

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[wolven.livejournal.com]

No.. that's what i was saying, about how Spinoza said there was no personal god. The last two sentences are from Me.