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There was something you wanted to talk to me, about. You said it was important, couldn't wait. You remember what it was. It was... Something. What was it? What did you want to tell me? Tell me. What'd you have to say? Say it. If you don't Say it, i'll never Know, and you might not Remember, later, and you might have to make something up. So tell me.

In other questions, do you ever feel like people are wrongly enjoying the things you love? I don't mean that they don't have the right to do so, but that they are not doing it the right way. I feel that way, sometimes, and I know that's... weird. But I sometimes feel like people aren't getting the full effect or right lessons from things. That's me, though, and it's incredibly narcissistic and pompus.

Tell me.

Date: 2007-08-11 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentai.livejournal.com
I know what you mean, but can't give you any personal examples right now. I have gotten a feeling that when other people laugh at what I laugh at or get awed by it, they are only getting half of it. They truly understand the joke, they just know it's probably funny. They might think something is cool, but they don't fully appreciate the awesomeness of it, in the original Eddie Izzard meaning of awesome.

The only part about what you wrote I would consider pompus is feeling that someone hasn't learned anything. That's a character trait particular to few people and not many people care to experience s/t to gain a lesson. And it's not that there is anything wrong with you being pompus in that vein except that not everyone knows how to effectively handle pomposity

Date: 2007-08-11 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Yeah, one of the hardest things for me to accept is the idea that not everyone goes to an experience to learn something. That kind of just... offends me on a basic level, for some reason.

Weird, i know.

Date: 2007-08-11 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n3m3sis42.livejournal.com
Weird. Because I guess I just always assumed that most people didn't... I mean, I do, but I just assumed that was yet another reason that I'm abnormal.

This makes me quite possibly more pompous than you are. :D

Date: 2007-08-11 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellenore.livejournal.com
I felt like that during the last few seasons of Buffy. (Damnit, the show is not entirely about Spike!) I know it's narcissistic, but I still find Spike fans incredibly annoying.

Date: 2007-08-11 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theapplethief.livejournal.com
When someone is watching the sun rise or sitting on the beach or reading a certain book. I just don't feel that they are giving the right amount of appreciation, I don't feel that they grasp the concept as I do, and [dare I say] because of it- I don't feel that they should participate in that particular activity any longer.

Also when people adopt your philosophy on life but don't quite understand the concept and therefore not executing it correctly in life scenarios or listening to them try to explain it. It's more insulting because you've cultivated this personality and philosophy for years and they get it handed to them when they meet you and they just mess it all up, and you just really would enjoy slapping them.

So, yeah.

Date: 2007-08-11 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
The second one... that's rough. On the one hand, I want to say that that's the process involved in every growth and learning experience, every development of a personality. On the other hand, you spend years, YEARS building this thing, and for someone to simply ape it, with no real understanding of the process... That's insulting.

I think that's it, though: In one scenario, you're working at something, integrating it, striving to understand it. In the other, you're just taking it, whole cloth, and going from there.

Hm.

Date: 2007-08-11 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
On the one hand, I think that people don't seek out lessons, but on the other hand, how can they not? Every situation has the potential to teach you Something. To not acknowledge that process and take advantage of it? Dumbfounds me.

Date: 2007-08-11 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Yeah, there was so much more going on, there, with the First, and the distribution of power to All the Potentials. There was symbolism and any number of expressions of magical systems. So much potential.

Date: 2007-08-11 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownbinaries.livejournal.com
I don't remember why, but I am not happy with how you said you saw me, last night.

I don't think I've ever had that feeling, so much as the one where the others don't have the right to enjoy whatever it is. Or that they don't appreciate it to the appropriate degree, because they don't get it.

Date: 2007-08-12 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n3m3sis42.livejournal.com
I agree that it's ridiculous that people don't take advantage of that potential. I guess I just have less faith in (most of) humanity than you do. A lot of people are appallingly... something (stupid? lazy? unaware?).

Date: 2007-08-12 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n3m3sis42.livejournal.com
Oh, I so agree with you. It was really not even that much about Spike at all, really.

Date: 2007-08-12 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
I have hope. Experience teaches me not to Expect better, but I hope. That way, it minimizes the let down. I say/do things in hopes that there are people out there who just haven't yet realised that it's okay.

Because if i don't, I'll go mad, and that's bad for pretty much everyone.

Date: 2007-08-12 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
That's only me. There are still other people to ask.

I see that as a permutation of the same thing, really. There's something they're just Not Understanding.

Date: 2007-08-12 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salrushdy.livejournal.com
"wrongly enjoying"
how can you "grade" or sort enjoying's type?I miss you here

Date: 2007-08-12 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Precisely the question, but say someone was looking at an equation that you understood Everything about, all implications and importances (if such a thing could be said to exist), but they got from it something Like what you understood, but were missing or ignorant of a crucial piece. Not just that they knew that piece and understood it differently, but that they didn't know, and, in not knowing, understood it wrong.

All the enjoyment that they got from it, then, could be seen as "wrong." That's kind of like what I mean.

Date: 2007-08-12 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salrushdy.livejournal.com
may be you use to move from particular to general and some people don't need all detail to get the same ? thus they actually do know the details, but they don't know that they do:)

Date: 2007-08-12 11:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] n3m3sis42.livejournal.com
I think I already went mad a long time ago. But I'm mostly a happy mad, so it's okay I guess. ;-)

Date: 2007-08-12 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
It's possible, but that's not the way it feels, sometimes. Sometimes it just feels like they're doing it wrong. Like I said, it's an irrational thought/feeling, but it's what happens.

Date: 2007-08-12 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Fair enough then :)

Date: 2007-08-12 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownbinaries.livejournal.com
But how you look at me is important, more than anyone else, dear. Over anyone else, except maybe my mom and dad, and still above either of those in this situation.

Second Leaves

Date: 2007-08-14 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
First, last week, yellow leaves scattered the road to work. I had meant to tell someone, but it slipped.

Second, in what seems related, the creek has slowed to a trickle.

Re: Second Leaves

Date: 2007-08-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
That does seem a bit odd...

Re(2): Second Leaves

Date: 2007-08-14 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raidingparty.livejournal.com
Leaves fall into creek, collect at spillover point, slow it down. At least, I think that's why it's slowed down so much.

Re: Re(2): Second Leaves

Date: 2007-08-14 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolven.livejournal.com
Makes sense, just seems the wrong season.
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